brew outdated not functioning until after updating brew to latest version

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Been seeing this for some time now.... When my brew version is not latest version and I run brew outdated I get no results. When I update brew to latest and then run brew outdated I get results. It's as if because I am not running the latest version of brew, the outdated sub command errors out.

A lot of lines but need to show instead of explaining...

Also when doing a "brew upgrade --dry run" why is homebrew being updated?

04/22/22_13:06:32 /Users/john
1-zsh% brew outdated --greedy

04/22/22_13:07:05 /Users/john
0-zsh% brew outdated --greedy-latest

04/22/22_13:07:59 /Users/john
0-zsh% brew outdated

04/22/22_13:08:08 /Users/john
0-zsh% brew outdated -v

04/22/22_13:08:13 /Users/john
0-zsh% brew outdated -d
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/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/openslide.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/jasper.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/p11-kit.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/libev.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/libx11.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/protobuf.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/ruby.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/automake.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/git.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/lzo.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/cmark.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/libffi.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/python@3.9.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/libmpc.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/gnutls.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/dnsmasq.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/cliclick.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/stubby.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/libpcap.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/npth.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/anchore/homebrew-grype/grype.rb
/usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/brew.rb (Formulary::TapLoader): loading /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Taps/homebrew/homebrew-core/Formula/adns.rb

04/22/22_13:11:09 /Users/john
0-zsh% brew upgrade --dry-run
Running `brew update --preinstall`...
==> Auto-updated Homebrew!
Updated Homebrew from 3.4.5 (56415326b) to 3.4.7 (c2eaeed0b).
Updated 10 taps (homebrew/cask-versions, homebrew/core, homebrew/test-bot, homebrew/cask, homebrew/bundle, homebrew/cask-fonts, homebrew/services, homebrew/cask-drivers, anchore/grype and anchore/syft).
==> New Formulae
ansible-language-server                                     localtunnel                                                 sophus                                                      werf
==> Updated Formulae
Updated 708 formulae.
==> Deleted Formulae
szip ✔
==> New Casks
anki-beta                         descript                          font-harano-aji                   keysafe                           mixed-in-key-live                 todesk                            wpsoffice-cn
banana-cake-pop                   espanso                           gdevelop                          manymc                            neovide                           vivid
==> Updated Casks
Updated 490 casks.


==> Homebrew was updated to version 3.4.7
The changelog can be found at:
  https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/releases/tag/3.4.7
==> Would upgrade 31 outdated packages:
coreutils 9.0_1 -> 9.1
vapoursynth 57 -> 58
ical-buddy 1.10.1 -> 1.10.1_1
go 1.18 -> 1.18.1
gh 2.7.0 -> 2.8.0
ghostscript 9.55.0 -> 9.56.1
cmake 3.23.0 -> 3.23.1
libuv 1.44.1 -> 1.44.1_1
imath 3.1.4 -> 3.1.5
libavif 0.10.0 -> 0.10.1
zimg 3.0.3 -> 3.0.4
glib 2.72.0 -> 2.72.1
netpbm 10.86.32 -> 10.86.32_1
rsync 3.2.3 -> 3.2.4
libarchive 3.6.0_1 -> 3.6.1
libgpg-error 1.44 -> 1.45
openexr 3.1.4 -> 3.1.5
openjdk 18 -> 18.0.1
libvmaf 2.3.0_1 -> 2.3.1
luajit-openresty 2.1-20220310 -> 2.1-20220411
anchore/syft/syft 0.43.2 -> 0.44.1
ffmpeg@4 4.4.1 -> 4.4.2
pcre2 10.39 -> 10.40
node 17.8.0 -> 17.9.0
libusb 1.0.25 -> 1.0.26
imagemagick 7.1.0-29 -> 7.1.0-30
gnupg 2.3.4 -> 2.3.5
libx11 1.7.3.1 -> 1.7.5
ruby 3.1.1 -> 3.1.2
git 2.35.1 -> 2.36.0
anchore/grype/grype 0.34.7 -> 0.35.0
==> Would upgrade 1 dependency for openexr:
imath 3.1.4 -> 3.1.5
==> Would upgrade 7 dependencies for ffmpeg@4:
imath 3.1.4 -> 3.1.5, openexr 3.1.4 -> 3.1.5, libvmaf 2.3.0_1 -> 2.3.1, glib 2.72.0 -> 2.72.1, libx11 1.7.3.1 -> 1.7.5, libarchive 3.6.0_1 -> 3.6.1, zimg 3.0.3 -> 3.0.4
==> Would upgrade 3 dependencies for libavif:
imath 3.1.4 -> 3.1.5, openexr 3.1.4 -> 3.1.5, libvmaf 2.3.0_1 -> 2.3.1
==> Would upgrade 1 dependency for node:
libuv 1.44.1 -> 1.44.1_1
==> Would upgrade 6 dependencies for imagemagick:
ghostscript 9.55.0 -> 9.56.1, imath 3.1.4 -> 3.1.5, openexr 3.1.4 -> 3.1.5, libvmaf 2.3.0_1 -> 2.3.1, glib 2.72.0 -> 2.72.1, libraw 0.20.2_1
==> Would upgrade 2 dependencies for gnupg:
libgpg-error 1.44 -> 1.45, libusb 1.0.25 -> 1.0.26
==> Would upgrade 1 dependency for git:
pcre2 10.39 -> 10.40
==> Would upgrade 1 dependency for vapoursynth:
zimg 3.0.3 -> 3.0.4
==> Would upgrade 1 dependent of upgraded formulae:
Disable this behaviour by setting HOMEBREW_NO_INSTALLED_DEPENDENTS_CHECK.
Hide these hints with HOMEBREW_NO_ENV_HINTS (see `man brew`).
ffmpeg@4 4.4.1 -> 4.4.2
==> No currently broken dependents found!
Warning: If they are broken by the upgrade they will also be upgraded or reinstalled.
==> Casks with 'auto_updates true' or 'version :latest' will not be upgraded; pass `--greedy` to upgrade them.
==> Would upgrade 4 outdated packages:
grandperspective 2.6.2 -> 2.6.3
lockrattler 4.32,2022.01 -> 4.33,2022.04
radarr 4.0.5.5981 -> 4.1.0.6175
virtualbox 6.1.32,149290 -> 6.1.34,150636

04/22/22_13:11:58 /Users/john
0-zsh% brew outdated -v
cmake (3.23.0) < 3.23.1
coreutils (9.0_1) < 9.1
ffmpeg@4 (4.4.1) < 4.4.2
gh (2.7.0) < 2.8.0
ghostscript (9.55.0) < 9.56.1
git (2.35.1) < 2.36.0
glib (2.72.0) < 2.72.1
gnupg (2.3.4) < 2.3.5
go (1.18) < 1.18.1
anchore/grype/grype (0.34.7) < 0.35.0
ical-buddy (1.10.1) < 1.10.1_1
imagemagick (7.1.0-29) < 7.1.0-30
imath (3.1.4) < 3.1.5
libarchive (3.6.0_1) < 3.6.1
libavif (0.10.0) < 0.10.1
libgpg-error (1.44) < 1.45
libusb (1.0.25) < 1.0.26
libuv (1.44.1) < 1.44.1_1
libvmaf (2.3.0_1) < 2.3.1
libx11 (1.7.3.1) < 1.7.5
luajit-openresty (2.1-20220310) < 2.1-20220411
netpbm (10.86.32) < 10.86.32_1
node (17.8.0) < 17.9.0
openexr (3.1.4) < 3.1.5
openjdk (18) < 18.0.1
pcre2 (10.39) < 10.40
rsync (3.2.3) < 3.2.4
ruby (3.1.1) < 3.1.2
anchore/syft/syft (0.43.2) < 0.44.1
vapoursynth (57) < 58
zimg (3.0.3) < 3.0.4
grandperspective (2.6.2) != 2.6.3
lockrattler (4.32,2022.01) != 4.33,2022.04
radarr (4.0.5.5981) != 4.1.0.6175
virtualbox (6.1.32,149290) != 6.1.34,150636

04/22/22_13:34:51 /Users/john
1-zsh% brew -v
Homebrew 3.4.7-38-gc2eaeed
Homebrew/homebrew-core (git revision 4c8c85e7656; last commit 2022-04-22)
Homebrew/homebrew-cask (git revision 1c80b6ebae; last commit 2022-04-22)

Adding this in case it's needed

04/22/22_13:42:35 /Users/john
0-zsh% brew config
HOMEBREW_VERSION: 3.4.7-38-gc2eaeed
ORIGIN: https://github.com/Homebrew/brew
HEAD: c2eaeed0b5978ef3e455cc29dda7e9e0b7a0670f
Last commit: 2 hours ago
Core tap ORIGIN: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core
Core tap HEAD: 4c8c85e76565b599b86edf072b97b3d887e603ad
Core tap last commit: 2 hours ago
Core tap branch: master
HOMEBREW_PREFIX: /usr/local
HOMEBREW_CASK_OPTS: ["--no-quarantine", "--appdir=/Applications", "--fontdir=/Library/Fonts", "--qlplugindir=/Library/QuickLook", "--internet_plugindir=/Library/Internet Plug-Ins", "--prefpanedir=/Library/PreferencePanes/", "--servicedir=/Library/Services"]
HOMEBREW_CORE_GIT_REMOTE: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core
HOMEBREW_DISPLAY: /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.me5dWW1toA/org.xquartz:0
HOMEBREW_EDITOR: nano
HOMEBREW_GITHUB_API_TOKEN: set
HOMEBREW_MAKE_JOBS: 16
Homebrew Ruby: 2.6.8 => /usr/local/Homebrew/Library/Homebrew/vendor/portable-ruby/2.6.8/bin/ruby
CPU: 16-core 64-bit kabylake
Clang: 12.0.0 build 1200
Git: 2.35.1 => /usr/local/bin/git
Curl: 7.64.1 => /usr/bin/curl
macOS: 10.15.7-x86_64
CLT: 12.0.0.32.29
Xcode: 12.4

[Bo98]

brew update doesn't just update brew but also the state of all your taps. brew outdated does not perform any network operations itself.

There's perhaps an argument that brew outdated should trigger an auto-update, but currently only the likes of brew install and brew upgrade do that.

[carlocab]

Said slightly differently:

brew outdated checks your local database for outdated software. You're not seeing anything from brew outdated because your local database is also outdated.

brew update then updates this database, so brew outdated then behaves as you expect after a brew update.

[ghost]

@Bo98 @carlocab ahhhh now I see.... not the same functionality as pip list --outdated. Thanks for dumbing it down for me (no sarcasm intended) and explaining the entire process.

Essentially it's useless unless it's run after brew update. The way it's described in the help is misleading through omission. Maybe I'll just create a function that runs brew update && brew outdated when calling brew outdated

[erquhart]

Just went through this and it's very surprising that brew outdated doesn't perform a network request. I'm certain there's good reason for this, though. A message explaining this when you run the command would be super helpful, perhaps along with the timestamp of the last update.

[PuddleOfFat]

@Bo98 @carlocab ahhhh now I see.... not the same functionality as pip list --outdated. Thanks for dumbing it down for me (no sarcasm intended) and explaining the entire process.

Essentially it's useless unless it's run after brew update. The way it's described in the help is misleading through omission. Maybe I'll just create a function that runs brew update && brew outdated when calling brew outdated

Could you please share this function?

[bevanjkay]

You can just put something like the below in your shell config.

alias bout='brew update && brew outdated'